Episode 59 of Doomer Optimism is all about climate change. What's real, what's not, and how to sift through the noise. Ashley is joined by first-time host Donald Antenen as they host a conversation with Ilan Kelman, Professor of Disasters and Health. About Ilan Kelman Ilan Kelman, Professor of Disasters and Health, at University College London, and Professor II, University of Agder Ilan Kelman Professor of Disasters and Health at University College London, England, and a Professor II at the University of Agder, Kristiansand, Norway. About Donald Antenen Donald Antenen lives with his wife and daughters in the Pacific Northwest. He is translating Genesis: Beginning: a Verse Translation of Genesis. About Ashley Colby Ashley is an Environmental Sociologist who studied at Washington State University, the department that founded the subdiscipline. She's interested in and passionate about the myriad creative ways in which people are forming new social worlds in resistance to the failures of late capitalism and resultant climate disasters. I am a qualitative researcher so I tend to focus on the informal spaces of innovation. She's the founder of Rizoma Field School and Rizoma Foundation.