No such thing as a bad product, only a bad price. The Ryzen 8600G and 8700G happen to be excellent products, but priced too high for the graphics performance they're selling them with Anandtech's review of the 2400G/2200G: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12425/marrying-vega-and-zen-the-amd-ryzen-5-2400g-review Anandtech's excellent tables for the new 8700G/8600G: https://www.anandtech.com/show/21242/amd-ryzen-7-8700g-and-ryzen-5-8600g-review Hardware Unboxed calling the 6500 XT the worst GPU ever: https://youtu.be/M5_oM3Ow_CI Hardware Unboxed finally realising the 6500 XT's use in the budget market: https://youtu.be/Ye60Wf8lUt8 And I don't hate you guys but your thumbnails are way too easy to parody 0:00 - Ryzen 8700G: too much CPU, not enough GPU 2:06 - Return of the 6500 XT! 2:43 - Ryzen 8600G is better than the 8700G because it's cheaper 3:40 - B-b-but Philip, these APUs aren't for gaming!!! 4:27 - Current price comparison 5:30 - 8000G's benefits 6:28 - 8000G: 2kliks Edition